Impact Innovators at the Fireside

In this episode of Impact Innovators at the Fireside, we sit down with Chingiskhan Kazakhstan and Max Schalow, the determined founders of SELANA and Bondi. From their chance meeting over shared Chinese takeout as international students to becoming pioneers in sustainable urban mobility, they share their remarkable five-year journey to create the Netherlands' first legal e-scooter.

Around our campfire, we explore how these innovators persevered through shifting regulations, financial challenges, and multiple moments of near-defeat to transform urban transportation. They reveal how their vision extends beyond just selling e-scooters – they're building a future where shared, sustainable vehicles replace car dependency in cities worldwide.

The conversation dives into critical questions about safety concerns, battery recycling, and how to measure real environmental impact. We also discuss their bold vision for cities in 2040 – spaces with zero traffic deaths, autonomous transport, and vibrant, car-free public areas.

Join us for an authentic look at the intersection of environmental impact, regulatory innovation, and the resilient entrepreneurial spirit driving meaningful change in how we move through our cities.

(00:00) - Disrupting Car Culture with Selana and the Bondi Boys
(02:33) - Early Days
(03:40) - Birth of the Mobility Idea
(06:00) - Downsides of Car Ownership, Pollution
(07:33) - Launching from The Netherlands
(11:37) - Market Research and Competition
(13:12) - From Bike Sharing to Estep Sharing
(14:12) - Learning from the Competition
(16:22) - Future Plans and Expansion
(17:50) - Demo ride
(19:09) - Product Tech
(21:36) - Taking cars off the road
(25:56) - Longevity and Sustainability
(26:54) - Battery Replacement and Recycling
(28:38) - Impact on Urban Mobility
(29:48) - Oh Shit Moments
(31:52) - Team Dynamics and Growth
(33:39) - Production and Quality Control
(34:15) - "That's What Makes us Keep Working"

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Note: This episode was recorded in late 2024. Regulations and market conditions discussed may have evolved since recording.

Production credits and thanks yous:
Music by Allerd van den Bremen

Creators and Guests

Host

Arje Cahn

Former Silicon Valley unicorn CPO turned Dutch forest ranger, Arjé Cahn hosts candid conversations with tech founders about building solutions for people and planet. From his 15-hectare woodland in the Netherlands, he challenges guests to think deeply about tech's role in creating a sustainable future – all while sitting around a real campfire. 🌲🔥

Composer

Allerd van den Bremen

Allerd van den Bremen is a Dutch composer, musician, and music educator known for his involvement in creating innovative and intimate musical theater performances. He collaborates frequently with the theater writer Renée van Marissing in a project called Rode Rozen (Red Roses). Together, they craft performances that combine music and text, often inspired by visual art or literature, such as James Baldwin’s Another Country. Some of their work has been showcased in venues like the Van Gogh Museum . In addition to composing, van den Bremen works as a music teacher and a community musician, particularly engaging with elderly populations, including those with dementia. He also explores electronic music as a solo artist and in collaboration with others.

Guest

Chingiskhan Kazakhstan

Co-Founder @ SELANA • VC @ FounderFuel • Forbes 30u30 • EU Climate Ambassador

Guest

Max Schalow

Co-founder @ SELANA • VC @ FounderFuel • Forbes 30 under 30

What is Impact Innovators at the Fireside?

How do ambitious innovators turn some of the world's biggest problems into tomorrow's breakthrough businesses?
Around a crackling campfire deep in the woods, tech founders share their journey from global challenge to game-changing solution. Host Arjé Cahn, who built his own startup into a unicorn before becoming an impact investor, digs deep into what really works. Raw, thoughtful conversations about building companies that matter.

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